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Of the ‘Profit Taking’ Gold and Silver

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SS: seems interesting how we are seeing more countries concerned about their gold. no one has been able to get any gold repatriated (unless the dutch got theirs repatriated). the price of gold and silver has been going down since it’s recent highs of around $1700 and $65 but i’m not sure if that really means anything negative for people who buy gold and silver. the problem for me is deciding which is really money and what is ‘taking profits’ means.

SS: you see i am not convinced that ‘taking profits’ means turning gold and/or silver into usd currency. once you have a bunch of usd currency then what ?? unless you need the fiat to spend on something then i think it would be better to own more gold/silver and in my opinion ‘taking profits’ is turning usd currency into gold/silver.

SS: the strong dollar coupled with low gold and silver prices means we can get more of this stuff with less usd currency. the gold and silver is wealth and when you are running a business and you decide to take some profits from your business then buying gold and silver is a way to ‘take profits’. usd is not for saving. it is for spending. just ask people who live in european countries that have their banks giving people negative interest to keep their savings in the bank. these days in europe you pay them to keep your money and not vice versa. 

SS: a person should not use usd that they want to spend on consumer things to buy gold and silver with. instead a person converts usd to take profits from their business they are conducting in usd currency. one of the reasons why we would take profits in gold and silver is because the dollar is fakelands and is unstable. the federal reserve is always printing more of it and causing inflation which means it loses purchasing power and then there is the all the complex debt dangers and risks associated with it..  also has a reputation of being used by criminals in fraudulent money laundering schemes and other anonymous crimes.

SS: one the reasons why the dollar is strong now is because everyone is devaluing against the dollar by printing more of their own fiat paper money.  if a person has  a mass of fiat in a bank then that person has not been ‘taking profits’.. use a strong dollar to take profit and buy gold and silver in all deep dips. a person is not losing money when price of gold and silver drops (unless you turn it back into fiat) because the gold and silver is the profit. if gold plunges while oil is plunging due to oil removing some inflation then it might be a good time to ‘take profits’ buying gold and silver and or invest back into your business with stronger dollar. a lower inflation means the fiat currency has stronger purchasing power so items will appear cheaper which means it is a good time to buy them.

SS:  if a person wants to ‘invest’ their usd currency then they might spend some of it into their own business. that is not taking profits, instead that is investing back into one’s own business. i am not sure if buying stocks is really an investment. that seems more like a gamble investment to me. for me usd currency is only good for spending, and some spending can be investments, and buying gold and silver is ‘taking profits’.

SS: for a country like switzerland selling their gold reserves to prop up their economy is, in my opinion, not such a great call. instead of ‘taking profits’ they are losing wealth in the paper fiat game. maybe if they spent their fiat they got from their gold and silver  into infrastructure that helps them produce more ‘profit taking’. what is going to eventually happen is that it will become harder to buy an ounce of gold and silver.  people will be happy to buy fractions of an ounce because people learn how to ‘take profits’ from their fiat earning, investing, gambling, and spending.

Will the US give the Dutch their gold back? Friday, 28 Nov 2014 “The question of why Germany can’t get its gold back is perhaps the biggest mystery in the financial world today,” he told CNBC via email. “I think the Netherlands (and some Swiss voters) are entirely correct in wanting to make sure that their gold is someplace where their own representatives can count it.” Switzerland is holding an important referendum on its gold holdings this weekend, with its citizens set to decide whether the Swiss National Bank (SNB) should refrain from selling any more of its gold and instead boost its gold holdings from 7 to 20 percent.

A one kilogramm gold bar imprinted with the word ‘Switzerland’ is displayed in a Swiss bank in Bern November 25, 2014. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), aims to ban the central bank from offloading its reserves and oblige it to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold. The referendum is scheduled for November 30. The SVP argues it would secure a stable Swiss franc. Picture taken November 25, 2014. REUTERS/Ruben Sprich (SWITZERLAND – Tags: POLITICS BUSINESS)

Gold bars and a Swiss Franc banknotes are seen in this illustration picture taken at the Austrian Gold and Silver Separating Plant ‘Oegussa’ in Vienna November 7, 2014. A vote in favour of Switzerland boosting its gold reserves would be disastrous for the country, the chairman of the Swiss central bank said in a newspaper interview published on Thursday. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), aims to ban the central bank from offloading its reserves and oblige it to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold. The referendum is scheduled for November 30. The SVP argues it would secure a stable Swiss franc. Picture taken November 7, 2014. REUTERS/Leonhard Foeger (AUSTRIA – Tags: BUSINESS)

Gold bars and a Swiss Franc coin are seen in this illustration picture taken at the Austrian Gold and Silver Separating Plant ‘Oegussa’ in Vienna November 7, 2014. A vote in favour of Switzerland boosting its gold reserves would be disastrous for the country, the chairman of the Swiss central bank said in a newspaper interview published on Thursday. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), aims to ban the central bank from offloading its reserves and oblige it to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold. The referendum is scheduled for November 30. The SVP argues it would secure a stable Swiss franc. Picture taken November 7, 2014. REUTERS/Leonhard Foeger (AUSTRIA – Tags: BUSINESS)

FILE – in this Nov. 16, 2014 file photo a person holds gold coins during an exhibition in Lenzburg, Switzerland. In Switzerland, a campaign is on to protect the country’s wealth by investing in gold a lot of gold. In a test of their sense of financial security, the Swiss are being asked to vote on a proposal to make the central bank hold a fifth of its reserves in gold within five years. That would mean buying 1,500 metric tons, or 1,650 short tons, of gold worth more than US$60 billion. (AP Photo/Keystone, Steffen Schmidt)

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    A modern bronze statue of Alexander the Great on his famous horse Bucephalus, flanked by copies of round shields and the Macedonian infantry’s terrible Sarissa pike, stands under the cloudy sky of the northern port city of Thessaloniki, Greece, Oct, 8, 2014. Alexander the Great was one of history’s most successful military commanders, who by his death at age 33 had conquered an empire stretching from modern Greece to India. (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    A funerary mask and other gold jewelry excavated in a rich ancient Macedonian cemetery is seen in the archeological museum of Pella, northern Greece, on Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2014. The city of Pella was the Macedonians’ later capital, where the ancient Greek warrior-king Alexander the Great was born in 356 B.C. Excavations in recent decades there have uncovered extensive building remains, a rich mosaic floor believed to depict Alexander during a lion hunt, and large cemeteries. (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    A visitor looks at a display of bronze armor and gold funerary masks and jewelry excavated in rich ancient Macedonian cemeteries at Aigai and Pella, in the archeological museum of Pella, northern Greece, on Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2014. The city of Pella was the Macedonians’ later capital, where the ancient Greek warrior-king Alexander the Great was born in 356 B.C. Excavations in recent decades there have uncovered extensive building remains, a rich mosaic floor believed to depict Alexander during a lion hunt, and large cemeteries.(AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    A schoolteacher explains the myth of Persephone in front of a replica of a mid-4th century B.C. wall painting of Hades abducting Persephone, whose original was found in a looted royal tomb, at the Vergina museum in northern Greece, Oct. 7, 2014. A similar scene has been discovered on a mosaic floor in a newly-excavated Macedonian tomb in Amphipolis, which has revived interest in ancient Greece’s Macedonian dynasties. (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    Ancient Macedonian silver coins inscribed in Greek “First of the Macedonians” and “Macedonians” are seen in a display case at the archeological museum of Pella, Greece, Oct. 7, 2014. The city of Pella was the Macedonians’ later capital, where the ancient Greek warrior-king Alexander the Great was born in 356 B.C. Excavations in recent decades there have uncovered extensive building remains, a rich mosaic floor believed to depict Alexander during a lion hunt, and large cemeteries. (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

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      Of the European Gold Reserves

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      SS: what’s going on in the world of precious metals ?? well for one thing apparently the dutch central bank was able to do what the germans could not do and that is repatriate a large amount of gold from the usa. did that really happen ?? the dutch got 122 tons of gold repatriated from the usa ?? that sounds pretty amazing. how did they do that and the germans couldn’t ??

      SS: i do not know all the answers to the questions. for some reason i confused amsterdam with brussels (the guys who been buying all the federal reserve tbonds this year) and thought maybe they made a deal with the usa for buying tbonds. well one thing that is for sure is that the governments of countries consider gold to have a very high value and strong demand that they are repatriating it, buying it, and hoarding it in their countries.

      SS: notice what deutches bank says ?? “a yes vote wont raise price of gold” … that is what we are interested in this vote is the price of precious metals ?? i doubt it since it is common knowledge about the prices of precious metals .. there is some reason all these countries are suddenly interested in their gold reserves.. which maybe they probably should be.

      Will the US give the Dutch their gold back? Friday, 28 Nov 2014 “The question of why Germany can’t get its gold back is perhaps the biggest mystery in the financial world today,” he told CNBC via email. “I think the Netherlands (and some Swiss voters) are entirely correct in wanting to make sure that their gold is someplace where their own representatives can count it.” Switzerland is holding an important referendum on its gold holdings this weekend, with its citizens set to decide whether the Swiss National Bank (SNB) should refrain from selling any more of its gold and instead boost its gold holdings from 7 to 20 percent.

      Dutch move 122 tons of gold out of US  Friday Nov 21, 2014 AMSTERDAM (AP) ” The Dutch Central Bank says it has recently shipped 122.5 tons of gold worth around 4 billion euros ($5 billion) from safekeeping in New York back to its headquarters in Amsterdam. In a statement Friday morning the bank said that its 612.5-ton national gold reserve is now divided 31 percent in Amsterdam, 31 percent in New York, 20 percent in Ottawa, Canada and 18 percent in London.

      ‘Yes’ vote in Swiss referendum not certain to lift gold prices-Deutsche Bank Mon Nov 17 (Reuters) – A vote in favour of boosting Switzerland’s gold holdings at a Nov. 30 referendum won’t necessarily lift bullion prices, Deutsche Bank said in a note, adding there was a “considerable” chance the motion would pass. The Swiss National Bank could spread out its gold buying, take transactions off market, or use derivatives to cushion gold prices from the impact of a ‘yes’ vote, Deutsche said. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), would force the SNB to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold, make it repatriate gold held overseas and commit never to sell bullion.

      Why Putin Is Buying So Much Gold Russian President Vladimir Putin is developing a taste for gold. William Rhind, CEO of the World Gold Trust Services said, with all of its income from selling oil, Russia is diversifying its reserves by buying massive amounts of gold. Of all the central banks that make their reserve actions public, Russia has been the “largest, most active” gold accumulator, he explained. Still, Rhind said, the “elephant in the room” is how much gold China is buying, as Beijing does not publish these figures.

      Germany Still Wants Gold Back – Repatriation Campaign Continues June 24, 2014 – More than 18 months ago, on January 16, 2013 Germany’s central bank, the Bundesbank, announced that it will repatriate to Germany all 374 tonnes it had stored with the Banque de France in Paris, as well as 300 tonnes held in Manhattan by the New York Federal Reserve, by 2020.Despite a lag of 18 months, the Bundesbank, as the Federal Bank of Germany is often called, has only managed to bring home a tiny 37 tonnes of gold. A paltry 5 tonnes of that came from the U.S., the rest from Paris. The US Fed holds 45% or roughly $635 billion of the total 3,396 tonnes of gold Germany have in reserve, the world’s second largest gold reserves.This has prompted, not surprisingly, renewed questions whether Germany’s gold still exists in those Manhattan vaults or if it has been melted down, leased or even sold.

      Twenty Swiss francs gold coins, known as Vrenelis, are pictured at Jolliet numismatic shop in Geneva November 19, 2014. Support among Swiss voters for a referendum proposal that would force a huge increase in the central bank’s gold reserves has slipped to 38 percent percent, an opinion poll showed on Wednesday, falling short of the majority backing it needs to become law. Under the “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, the Swiss National Bank (SNB) would be banned from selling any of its gold reserves and would have hold at least 20 percent of its assets in the metal, compared with 7.8 percent last month. REUTERS/Denis Balibouse (SWITZERLAND – Tags: POLITICS BUSINESS)

      Gold bars from the vault of a bank are seen in this illustration picture taken in Zurich November 20, 2014. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), aims to ban the central bank from offloading its reserves and oblige it to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold. The referendum is scheduled for November 30. The SVP argues it would secure a stable Swiss franc. REUTERS/Arnd Wiegmann (SWITZERLAND – Tags: BUSINESS)

      Gold bars from the vault of a bank and Swiss one franc coins are seen in this illustration picture taken in Zurich November 20, 2014. The “Save our Swiss gold” proposal, spearheaded by the right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP), aims to ban the central bank from offloading its reserves and oblige it to hold at least 20 percent of its assets in gold. The referendum is scheduled for November 30. The SVP argues it would secure a stable Swiss franc. REUTERS/Arnd Wiegmann (SWITZERLAND – Tags: BUSINESS)

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        Of the ‘Tungsten Filled’ Fakelands Gold Coins

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        SS: my precious metals update: i have said in the past that if you are buying gold to be very careful due to a lot of fakelands tungsten filled gold going around. this was just gold bars we had to worry about but this year a tungstien one ounce gold coin has been found. this will affect the gold eagles and gold kuggeranda according to goldcoinbalance. tungsten filled gold is called ‘salted’ gold.

        SS: if buying gold coins you will need to have a magnifying glass now to look closely at the details of the coins. a fake coin will generally have some imperfections that can be detected by comparing a real gold coin. i  really like this gold coin balance and i am going to order one these for myself.

        SS: so need two tools when buying gold coins. the gold coin balance and a magnifying glass. to buy gold bars would require a drill to drill into the gold to find the grey tungsten. therefore i still believe gold coins is the best and safest way to buy gold. do NOT be fooled by gold bars in realistic looking packaging. how will test the gold if it’s wrapped in plastic without opening the plastic ??  i suggest to not buy gold in sealed plastic as even these plastics are sometimes counterfeited fraud.

        Fake Tungsten Gold Coins June 2, 2014 NEWS FLASH!!! Goldcoinbalance.com has discovered a fake Gold Eagle one ounce that passes the tests for weight, size and thickness. Our GoldCoinBalance Guarantee has always stated that we would pay the spot gold price for any gold coin that passes all three tests of the GoldCoinBalance. We were so confident in our product’s ability to spot the fakes we offered this guarantee. However, we recently received a coin and letter from a customer who had purchased a Gold Coin that passed the tests, but was a FAKE Tungsten Coin. So unfortunately, we can no longer buy Kugerrands or American Eagle Gold Coins that pass the Goldcoinbalance tests. Someone is making Tungsten core fake coins that do pass the test!!!  Buyer Beware!!

        How to distinguish gold-plated from real gold? If you would like to distinguish gold-plated from real gold, here is a vey easy way: as we know, tungsten gold-plated product is just covered with a thin coat of gold. You can make some distilled water, take the one you would to test sharpening, and then put it into the distilled water, out of the distilled water for a while. If it is not gold-plated tungsten material, it will not change color. We think it is better for client to know how to distinguish gold-plated from the real gold first, then it will have a well knowledge about tungsten gold-plated material.

        A general view of the Gold Quarry pit at Newmont Mining’s Carlin gold mine operation near Elko, Nevada May 21, 2014. The Gold Quarry is about 1.5 miles (2.4 km) long, 1,700 feet (515 m) deep and encompasses 1,680 acres. Picture taken May 21. REUTERS/Rick Wilking (UNITED STATES – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

        A gold “button” is ready to be further refined to form gold dore bars at Newmont Mining’s Carlin gold mine operation near Elko, Nevada May 21, 2014. The dore bars contain approximately 90 percent gold, 8 percent silver and 2 percent trace material. Picture taken May 21. REUTERS/Rick Wilking (UNITED STATES – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

        Senior refinery technician Vincente Sandoval puts a gold “button” into a furnace to be further refined to form gold dore bars at Newmont Mining’s Carlin gold mine operation near Elko, Nevada May 21, 2014. The dore bars contain approximately 90 percent gold, 8 percent silver and 2 percent trace material. Picture taken May 21. REUTERS/Rick Wilking (UNITED STATES – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

        Liquid gold is poured to form gold dore bars at Newmont Mining’s Carlin gold mine operation near Elko, Nevada May 21, 2014. REUTERS/Rick Wilking/Files

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          Of the Taper or Not Taper Gold Bars

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          SS: i am doing a gold and silver update. some people have mistakenly called the gold and silver a bear market. this is not the truth. gold and silver is a manipulated depressed market. there is a big difference between these two things and the implications are also much different. and because it is manipulated means that people who are making predictions based upon common sense are wrong on the whim of the banks manipulated the prices.  don’t put your credibility on the line in a heavily manipulated market.

          SS: regarding the economy and the federal reserve tapering.. i asked the question will we taper or not taper.. well the answer is … drum roll … BOTH. its a trick. yes the federal reserve is tapering because they have about 4 trillion of junk on their books. BUT .. we now have learned that Belgium is now suddenly buying bunches and bunches of our junk. Belgium is the capital of the EU and they are picking up the slack by the federal reserve taper. how i am interpreting this new data is that with Belgium buying junk we might be able to stave the collapse for another 2 or 3 years .. Belgium might be able to buy 3 to 5 trillion in junk. only thing this really means is that we have a little more time to prepare which is maybe a good thing. see part two of my gold and silver update here .

          Gold bars are stacked in the safe deposit boxes room of the Pro Aurum gold house in Munich March 3, 2014. REUTERS/Michael Dalder

          Gold bars are stacked at a safe deposit room of the ProAurum gold house in Munich March 6, 2014. REUTERS/Michael Dalder/Files

          The KCD open pit gold mine at the Kibali mining site in northeast Democratic Republic of Congo, May 1, 2014. The $2.5 billion gold mine, a joint venture between Randgold, AngloGold Ashanti and Congo’s state gold miner Sokimo, poured its first gold in September 2013 and has the potential to become one of the biggest in the world, transforming the economy of this forgotten corner of one of the world’s poorest and most conflict ridden countries. Picture taken May 1, 2014. REUTERS/Pete Jones (DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

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            Of the Americas Greatest Buried Treasure Gold Coins

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            SS: so we found out why obama’s sanctions against russia have been such weaksauce. the reason, which we learn from james rickards, is the usa has run out of maneuvering room in the currency wars. the fed is insolvent from all the money printing the did to buy all the junk from the banks. that is why they are tapering is because they cannot afford to keep buying the junk debt from the banks. its not because the economy is better.

            SS: as james rickards tells us that one of the biggest reasons that the usa is going to collapse is because the american people are too heavily taxed. and we know this is a truth as NASA recent study backs this statement that economies collapse because the resources are not distributed well to everyone. the common people are only distributed enough resources to keep them just above subsistence. and this is happening today in the united states with the massive taxes that americans are forced to pay.

            SS: this brings us to the massive failure known as obamacare. this huge tax is going to take more money from the people. this whole propaganda that obamacare is saving people money is totally false. the poorest people cannot afford it and if they don’t pay then the IRS penalty taxes them with interest to infinity. these obamacare insurance will start to go up once they get it implemented . and all this money taken from the people and given to the insurance companies and the government is going to help cause the collapse.

            SS: everyone needs to be preparing for the collapse that is coming. of course it will be harder to prepare for the collapse as the government continues to take more and more of our money. james rickards gives everyone a list of things to invest in to prepare for the collapse. i think we should add many more things to this list such as guns and ammo, and food stores… unless u want to be lined up at a fema camp to get your food. i believe that the government cannot and should not be trusted because from what i can see they are only trying to figure out new ways to rip their own people.  i believe in holding on to only some cash while most money should be stored in other assets like gold and silver.  keeping all your money in a bank is the wrong strategy because they been setting up to do bank bail-ins eventually.

            SS: as can see matt drudge came out and paid his new tax early.. the white house called him a liar, well it wasn’t matt drudge who is lying. if read the entire article it turns out the white house doesnt even know their own law. it is the obama admin that is lying. if the obama admin don’t understand their own law then is easy to see they also have no clue what there freedom grabbing law is going to do to the american economy.

            Serfs Up – Average Healthcare Premiums Have Soared 39%-56% Post Obamacare March 18, 2014 Americans buying health insurance outside the new Obamacare exchanges are being forced to swallow premiums up to 56 percent higher than before the health law took effect because insurers have jumped the cost to cover all the added features of the new Affordable Care Act. According to a cost report from eHealthInsurance, a nationwide online private insurance exchange, families are paying an average of $663 a month and singles $274 a month, far more than before Obamacare kicked in. What’s more, to save money, most buyers are choosing the lowest level of coverage, the so-called “bronze” plans.

            Drudge Angers White House by Paying Obamacare Penalty Early 25 Mar 2014 Internet heavyweight Matt Drudge has angered the White House for saying that he’s just paid his Obamacare tax for 2014 in his quarterly estimates. On Twitter, he declared in a March 21 post, “Just paid the Obamacare penalty for not ‘getting covered’…I’M CALLING IT A LIBERTY TAX!” According to Investors.com, 22 minutes later, White House spokesman Jesse Lee hit back with a tweet saying, “Flat lie. No fee for previous year.”

            Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for ‘irreversible collapse’? Mar 14, 2014 Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with “Elites” based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both: “… accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels.”

            Cans containing 19th century gold coins is shown in this undated handout photo courtesy of Kagin’s, Inc. A trove of rare Gold Rush-era coins unearthed in California last year by a couple as they walked their dog may be the greatest buried treasure ever found in the United States, worth more than $10 million, a currency firm representing the pair said on February 25, 2014. REUTERS/Kagin’s, Inc/Handout via Reuters(UNITED STATES – Tags: SOCIETY IMAGES OF THE DAY)

            A can containing 19th century gold coins is shown in this undated handout photo courtesy of Kagin’s, Inc. A trove of rare Gold Rush-era coins unearthed in California last year by a couple as they walked their dog may be the greatest buried treasure ever found in the United States, worth more than $10 million, a currency firm representing the pair said on February 25, 2014. REUTERS/Kagin’s, Inc/Handout (UNITED STATES – Tags: SOCIETY)

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              Of the California ‘E Pluribus Unum’ Gold Coins

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              SS: more of the ‘E Pluribus Unum’ gold coins were found in california .. “Out of many, one” and “He approves of this undertaking” .. this was when money was really money .. now is all debt money . unfortunately it seems that many in this world are still struggling with these facts that people’s debt is not money.. and that gold and silver and other precious metals is finite and is money.

              SS: with the USA now on “the Verge” of collapse due to the money printing scheme failing which will soon leave the american people holding a valueless currency if they keep printing … or a debt default and economic recovery failure if they taper. the bigtime crunch is on for the usa and the dollar currency.

              SS: the new obama myra plan is the start of the federal government stealing americans 401k’s and make them buy us bonds so the government can keep borrow money. and the banks are all setting up for bail-ins. probably 401k’s first then bail-ins. how the american people take it we have to see. maybe some people will be happy with it.

              SS: in the case that the usa government were to attempt to attack usa citizens we all have to remember how hard of a time that the usa military had in countries smaller than the state of california. any kind of civil war would lead to other countries equipping the so called rebels and homegrown terrorists and it would be a complete nightmare. if the entire country is in civil war or revolution i do not believe that drones are going to be enough . if the us were to collapse and the dollar valueless then the soldiers still have to be paid. they not going to go around and kill americans for free. and un troops in the usa would come in with giant bullseye targets painted on them. remember the largest standing army in the entire world are hunters east of the mississppi .. i think in the event of any collapse or civil war or revolution that the centralized government will collapse and states will become more sovereign.

              SS:  this leads us to currency collapse .. since the usa is on “the verge” of collapse then what is the new currency going to be ?? we all know china is buying and hoarding gold . if the usa has no gold as it seems may be the case since we wonder why germany can’t get there gold back. obviously gold is going to beat debt. so which is it ?? are we going to print or are we going to taper ??

              E pluribus unum (/ˈiː ˈplʊərɨbəs ˈuːnəm/; Latin: [ˈeː ˈpluːrɪbʊs ˈuːnũː])—Latin for “Out of many, one”[1][2] (alternatively translated as “One out of many”[3] or “One from many”)[4]—is a phrase on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis (Latin for “He approves (has approved) of the undertaking”) and Novus ordo seclorum, (Latin for “New Order of the Ages”) and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782.[2] Never codified by law, E pluribus unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States[citation needed] until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H. J. Resolution 396), adopting “In God We Trust” as the official motto.[5]

              Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for ‘irreversible collapse’? 03-15-14 By investigating the human-nature dynamics of these past cases of collapse, the project identifies the most salient interrelated factors which explain civilisational decline, and which may help determine the risk of collapse today: namely, Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy. These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: “the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity”; and “the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or “Commoners”) [poor]” These social phenomena have played “a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse,” in all such cases over “the last five thousand years.” Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with “Elites” based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both:

                  “… accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels.”

              Four of 1,427 Gold-Rush era U.S. gold coins are displayed at Professional Coin Grading Service in Santa Ana, Calif., Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2014. A California couple out walking their dog on their property stumbled across the modern-day bonanza: $10 million in rare, mint-condition gold coins buried in the shadow of an old tree. Nearly all of the 1,427 coins, dating from 1847 to 1894, are in uncirculated, mint condition, said David Hall, co-founder of Professional Coin Grading Service, who recently authenticated them. Although the face value of the gold pieces only adds up to about $27,000, some of them are so rare that coin experts say they could fetch nearly $1 million apiece. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

              Some of 1,427 Gold-Rush era U.S. gold coins are displayed at Professional Coin Grading Service in Santa Ana, Calif., Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2014. A California couple out walking their dog on their property stumbled across the modern-day bonanza: $10 million in rare, mint-condition gold coins buried in the shadow of an old tree. Nearly all of the 1,427 coins, dating from 1847 to 1894, are in uncirculated, mint condition, said David Hall, co-founder of Professional Coin Grading Service, who recently authenticated them. Although the face value of the gold pieces only adds up to about $27,000, some of them are so rare that coin experts say they could fetch nearly $1 million apiece. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

              A 19th century gold coin is shown in this undated handout photo courtesy of Kagin’s, Inc. A trove of rare Gold Rush-era coins unearthed in California last year by a couple as they walked their dog may be the greatest buried treasure ever found in the United States, worth more than $10 million, a currency firm representing the pair said on February 25, 2014. REUTERS/Kagin’s, Inc/Handout via Reuters (UNITED STATES – Tags: SOCIETY)

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                Of the ‘E Pluribus Unum’ Gold Coin

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                SS: these two coins are pre “in god we trust” coins .. these are “from the many are one” coins .. that was the original motto of the united states. it was in 1956 that this was changed . this of course was after the fed took over and started making our money worth less. i like the original motto because i am not a believer in the one god theory .. i believe in the multiple gods theory (egyptian, mayan, hindu) and in evolution in which a person can become more than what they are. “from the many are one” i think is regarding the beehive (really probably about the many states being one) . i think the cataclysm on mars proves my theory is more right. another life form will have it’s own source.

                SS: eventually our race might evolve through science and technology and realize that the martian life form had a separate source than ours and that while we live life we evolve and when we die we return to our source. well some do and some dont make it. and from the source we will live again tonight or in the case of a “TIME ZONE” ending will live again tomorrow night in the next “TIME ZONE” and world. i say world as distinct from a planet because a world to me is an animate with living beings. and when all life dies on a planet during a mantanvara ending then the planet is still here and will be here during the next manvantara just like mars is still here.

                SS: anyways that brings us to today and why is gold and silver hammered down ?? well i am going to tell you why. because the usa is facing a complete collapse soon and there are some people loading up the truck with gold and silver. that is because gold and silver is real money while the dollar is debt. i say a complete collapse because i no longer believe that we are facing just an economic collapse anymore due to our countries inability to respond to the ongoing mega-catastrophies of fukushima meltdown and the louisana sinkhole. our country at this moment is just not powerful enough to handle these catastrophes so they are ignored in hopes they will go away by themselves. that of course is another failed strategy.

                SS: the big banks are setting up for bail-ins. i am not even sure why they would waste their time to bail-in on something that really isn’t going to be worth anything soon. they did a big taper of 10 billion dollars from the 85 billion the fed was buying all the junk debt from the banks and the banks would spend these profits on stocks and i assume some smart ones bought gold and silver too. when they did the taper they had a key interest rate go up that controls how much we are paying on our debt.. i am not an economist but i can figure some this stuff out. if they cannot stop printing money then i think its pretty much game over for the economic recovery.

                SS: the lying about the economy and how we are recovering isnt going to be a successful strategy imo and i have been acting accordingly .. like the unemployment rate. we are not dumb we know that people can only collect unemployment for six months and that their are a ton more unemployed than they try to make us believe. and now we have a new tax with obamacare. that is more money that is removed from the economy. people are paying more for their insurance, some as much as $6k a year more.  i think bernanke got out because he knows whats up and whats going down. while yellen is the fall guy . i think it is a matter of what president will handle the collapse.

                SS: that just what i think about “the recovery” and the silver and gold smash phenomena to persuade people out of gold and silver until it’s too late when they wake up and the collapse is happening, bail-ins is happening, and gold and silver move upwards quickly leaving most unable to buy and physical unable to be found anywhere due to the shortages. there is a shortage, recently britian ran out of gold coins, the us mint keeps rationing, perth mint finally running low, and canada i think they have been low and rationing too. we all know britian’s vaults are full of tungsten and i hear the comex is running out of gold too. we are unable to pay the germans back their gold. it sounds like to me that china has a lot of the gold.

                E pluribus unum (/ˈiː ˈplʊərɨbəs ˈuːnəm/; Latin: [ˈeː ˈpluːrɪbʊs ˈuːnũː])—Latin for “Out of many, one”[1][2] (alternatively translated as “One out of many”[3] or “One from many”)[4]—is a phrase on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis (Latin for “He approves (has approved) of the undertaking”) and Novus ordo seclorum, (Latin for “New Order of the Ages”) and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782.[2] Never codified by law, E pluribus unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States[citation needed] until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H. J. Resolution 396), adopting “In God We Trust” as the official motto.[5]

                A 1787 Brasher Gold Doubloon shown in this photo brings $4.58 million and 1913 Liberty Nickel, “The Hawaii Five-O Specimen” brings $3.29 million on Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014 at Heritage Auctions in Orlando, Fla. The two famous rare coins bring a combined $7.87+ million which is considered to be a record breaker (Heritage Auctions)

                A 1787 Brasher Gold Doubloon brings $4.58 million and 1913 Liberty Nickel, “The Hawaii Five-O Specimen” shown in this photo, brings $3.29 million on Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014 at Heritage Auctions in Orlando, Fla. The two famous rare coins bring a combined $7.87+ million which is considered to be a record breaker (Heritage Auctions)

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                  Of the “Coiled Hair Stella” Gold Coin

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                  A rare four dollar “Coiled Hair Stella” U.S. gold coin from 1880 was auctioned for $2.5 million at Bonhams in Los Angeles. It is made of six grams of pure gold. It was never released into circulation due to a lack of public support. (Bonhams)

                  Rare 1880 Stella coin makes 2.5 million dollars (USD) at auction. Rough Cut (no reporter narration). (Reuters)

                  Rare 1880 Stella coin makes 2.5 million dollars (USD) at auction. Rough Cut (no reporter narration). (Reuters)

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                    Of the Kazakhstan Kokshetau Gold Bars

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                    A worker wearing heatproof suit takes a gold alloy bar out of mould in a workshop of Altyntau gold mine extraction factory outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

                    A just melted gold alloy bar is seen in a workshop of Altyntau gold mine extraction factory outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

                    Gold alloy bars are seen at Altyntau gold mine extraction factory outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Andrey Lunin (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

                    Dump trucks drive along a road at Altyntau open pit gold mine outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

                    Controlled explosions raise dust inside Altyntau open pit gold mine outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

                    A general view of Altyntau open pit gold mine outside northern Kazakhstan’s town of Kokshetau June 13, 2013. The gold industry has released new guidelines for bullion miners under pressure to disclose the real economics of producing an ounce of metal, feeding a debate over the sustainability of many gold mines in a sector battered by falling prices. Picture taken June 13, 2013. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov (KAZAKHSTAN – Tags: BUSINESS COMMODITIES)

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